I first became aware of the Hamaker hypothesis via the video "Stopping the Coming Ice Age" in the 1980s. In 1976 I came upon a general and specific mathematical theory of sociology that you can peruse at my home site listed with my personal data at this forum. I've had minimal communication with Don Weaver and Joanna over the years.

In the late 80s I prepared a paper for an economic botany class concerning the Hamaker hypothesis. A major entry in that paper was the analysis of deep underground cave wall crystals and their isotope ratios that were designed to eliminate the error in dating past ice ages that is associated with ocean sediment analysis. Lo and behold that analysis shifted the times by about 10,000 years placing the start of ice ages at peak carbon dioxide concentrations determined from ice core analysis. Looks like very little repeat of the cave crystal analysis has ocurred perhaps because it was so antithetical to main stream ice age time parameters and theories. That data does directly support the Hamaker hypothesis. Though reported in a couple of magazines, I've yet to see it on the web.

If we are to consider the idea that humanity has been around in its current genotype for as much as 500,000 years at the most, our species has had to deal with perhaps five major ice age swings. I suspect this has spurred much of humanity's social and technological development, the use of fire, creation of shelters, etc. Now with our population at a peak, the social innovations that we might find conducive to our survival include not only remineralization but also the exact science by which we design and coordinate our networking. This is what I believe my social theory addresses, hopefully a way to how we can create a world 'round rational communication system that facilitates humanity finding an open ended and promising future.

I am somewhat frightened. As the rain pours outside my window, in what appears to me to be unprecedented amounts for late April here in the San Francisco Bay area, many are going to be looking for an explanation, here and elsewhere as the weather changes quickly. Remineralize.org as well as my home site are liable to be hammered. I hope we can keep up with the internet traffic that might ensue. Maybe we will be forced to adopt more efficient communication networking means, perhaps along the lines of my social theory.

I am heartened to see the improvements and expansion of Remineralization.org Whether or not my social theory ever amounts to anything, I do hope that Remineralize the Earth and its endeavors enjoy great success.

Yours,

Tom Loeber (Chip)

Actually, it was in the mid 1990s when I did the study for my economic botany class. I have that study in storage right now but will try to locate it shortly.

This paper, http://muller.lbl.gov/papers/Causality.pdf suggests that the adopted time parameters for ice age cycle events could be off by five to ten thousand years from analysis other than the oxygen isotope ratios plotted from the Devil’s Hole, Nevada calcite study, that is data that corroborated the deep pristine well calcite analysis. Furthermore there is suggestion that acceptance of the Milankovitch theory was used to determine time plots of ocean sediment analysis which is outrageous. One should use evidence to adjust theory not vice versa.

Here is a site with a table of the Devil’s Hole data that could be entered into a spread sheet and then graphed: http://water.usgs.gov/pubs/of/ofr97-792/ The delta Oxygen 18 isotope factor is the one that should correspond to the moisture content driven out of the oceans and onto the land. Basically, as I understand it, the less the concentration of O 18 the more water from the oceans is on land.

If I remember correctly, the first report that informed me of the land based calcite studies was entitled “Milankovitch Takes a Dive in the Desert” reported in “Science News” or perhaps “Discover” magazine.

BTW, in the 1990s I made my own rock dust using a sledge hammer to crush river gravel that I collected, smashing it on a piece of railroad rail that I used as an anvil. It took me four hours to make about 3/4 of a gallon jar. The result was finer than sand and about half talcum powder sized. I removed green colored gravel to avoid serpentine and possible asbestos containing material before crushing. I spread the result in a small 4' X 8' garden plot and in some surrounding forest. I then moved from that property and have no results from my application. The largest garden I had was in 1976 and I was not aware nor did I use rock dust at that time. I used comfrey leaves as my main composting material introduced into Jon Jeavons type double dug sheet composted beds. I left that property also after about a year to return to college for four years in New Mexico.

Here are some further references.

http://water.usgs.gov/nrp/devils.html
http://ijolite.geology.uiuc.edu/04FallClass/geo562/11_Paleotherm.pdf


Winograd, Isaac J., et al. (1992). "Continuous 500,000-Year Climate Record from Vein Calcite in Devils Hole, Nevada." Science 258: 255-60.

Ludwig, Kenneth R. , et al. (1992). "Mass-Spectrometric 230th-234u-238u- Dating of the Devils Hole Calcite Vein." Science 258: 284-87.

» I first became aware of the Hamaker hypothesis via the video "Stopping the
» Coming Ice Age" in the 1980s. In 1976 I came upon a general and specific
» mathematical theory of sociology that you can peruse at my home site listed
» with my personal data at this forum. I've had minimal communication with
» Don Weaver and Joanna over the years.
»
» In the late 80s I prepared a paper for an economic botany class concerning
» the Hamaker hypothesis. A major entry in that paper was the analysis of
» deep underground cave wall crystals and their isotope ratios that were
» designed to eliminate the error in dating past ice ages that is associated
» with ocean sediment analysis. Lo and behold that analysis shifted the
» times by about 10,000 years placing the start of ice ages at peak carbon
» dioxide concentrations determined from ice core analysis. Looks like very
» little repeat of the cave crystal analysis has ocurred perhaps because it
» was so antithetical to main stream ice age time parameters and theories.
» That data does directly support the Hamaker hypothesis. Though reported in
» a couple of magazines, I've yet to see it on the web.
»
» If we are to consider the idea that humanity has been around in its current
» genotype for as much as 500,000 years at the most, our species has had to
» deal with perhaps five major ice age swings. I suspect this has spurred
» much of humanity's social and technological development, the use of fire,
» creation of shelters, etc. Now with our population at a peak, the social
» innovations that we might find conducive to our survival include not only
» remineralization but also the exact science by which we design and
» coordinate our networking. This is what I believe my social theory
» addresses, hopefully a way to how we can create a world 'round rational
» communication system that facilitates humanity finding an open ended and
» promising future.
»
» I am somewhat frightened. As the rain pours outside my window, in what
» appears to me to be unprecedented amounts for late April here in the San
» Francisco Bay area, many are going to be looking for an explanation, here
» and elsewhere as the weather changes quickly. Remineralize.org as well as
» my home site are liable to be hammered. I hope we can keep up with the
» internet traffic that might ensue. Maybe we will be forced to adopt more
» efficient communication networking means, perhaps along the lines of my
» social theory.
»
» I am heartened to see the improvements and expansion of
» Remineralization.org Whether or not my social theory ever amounts to
» anything, I do hope that Remineralize the Earth and its endeavors enjoy
» great success.
»
» Yours,
»
» Tom Loeber (Chip)

Thanks for your thoughts, Tom. I'm reminded of your familiarity with Bucky Fuller's insights, which included his finding of Hamaker's Thesis as "completely convincing." Have you read Alex Gerber's excellent book WHOLENESS: On Education, Buckminster Fuller, and Tao? (www.wholenessbook.com) You didn't give us your website, did you? I would like to see it, gracias. William Calvin's 1990 book THE ASCENT OF MIND: Ice Age Climates and the Evolution of Human Intelligence showed that our brains and technology developed greatly through the pressures of past glacial periods. I have yet to read his 2002 A BRAIN FOR ALL SEASONS: Human Evolution and Abrupt Climate Change, but I think I'll get it next trip to library. Ah, libraries, a beautiful brain-expanding alternative to another glacial period?!
Yes, and now our SF Bay Area wintry April weather has carried over in a new series of May rainstorms and possible tornadoes. I'm sure a growing number of people are wishing for the "warming"...

Don

Hi Don

My home page is http://home.pacbell.net/chipl/SocialTheoryDevelopmentPortal.html I see a little house icon next to my name in this forum that when clicked on brings it up. I read Calvin's first book but hadn't heard of the second. I'll bop into our local (Sunnyvale) library and see if I can get a copy of that and Gerber's.

I met with Bucky twice, and both times he gave me voiced encouragement for my work. The second time he had dinner at our solar heated house that my step-dad and I built there in Socorro, New Mexico. I was able to share a lot with him then and before he got on his jet the following day he commented on my social theory "There appears to be a reasonable excitation." This was shortly before he passed away.

I am encouraged by the recent data posted on the web concerning the calcite crystal isotope ratio research. A very large portion of the population does not seem to be able to dig for their "news." An atmosphere of epistemological relativism seems to pervade which appears to me to be the "pride before a fall" state of mind. I hope the fall wont be too hard on our biosphere and hope my efforts can prove to help lessen that and maybe allow humanity to rise to its best behavior instead. I'm afraid the USA is quickly going fascist.

Hope to get a diesel vehicle soon that I will convert to run on vegetable oil as is explained at http://www.greasecar.com

Again, I am greatly encouraged by the nice developments of remineralize.org .

Thanks,

Chip

Finally some of this stuff has made it onto the web. Here is a brief article from Science News that summarizes the Devil's Hole studies as shifting the ice age cycles to 17,000 years earlier than ocean sediment analysis. That puts the peak concentration of carbon dioxide at the end of an interglacial, not the beginning.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1200/is_n23_v134/ai_6875132

Here are speculations by a guy that green house gas increase triggers the start of ice ages. Apparently it is similar to the ideas expressed in the film, "Day After Tomorrow." I'm going to email him and inform him of this site and perhaps the Devil's Hole data.

http://karisable.com/slattery/iceage.htm

This might be a repeat of data posted here before but here is a USGS site on the Devil's Hole study with link to a table of data.

http://water.usgs.gov/nrp/devils.html

Here is a long article that I found entertaining which brings the history of the development of glacial cycle theory into perspective.

http://www.discover.com/issues/dec-96/features/indeepwater942/

Here is a May 2004 study that finds the Milankovitch theory lacking. It is a PDF file and the URL is long.

http://wwwrses.anu.edu.au/environme...%20substages%205a%20and%205c.pdf

I was able to share a lot with him then and before he got on his jet the following day he commented on my social theory "There appears to be a reasonable excitation.it's fine .
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